Craziness of psychiatric IME assessments

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A couple of days ago, our co-warrior Trinny send us an interesting link, featuring the OZloop creatives with a most satirical look at the [psych] labeling of public servants. Nothing like holding up the mirror to these flawed practices!

Craziness of psychiatric IME assessments

Poetic Pathologising Psychiatrists – by Ozloop

 

Mirror mirror on the wall

Who is the most pathologised of all

Is it them as they contend

Or is it me as I pretend

Mirror mirror on the wall

Please tell me why do I project

So that others I may reject

Mirror mirror on the wall

I’m the most narcissistic of them all

So be you right or be you wrong

I must surely do them all wrong

Mirror mirror on the wall

I must conclude they that they are sick

So my labels I will make sure stick

Mirror mirror on the wall

There adjustment I must compel

Lest I be seen as the one . . .

Unwell

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Bashed and bullied
Guest
I know a certain IME my insurer advised they are not using any more after my request not to be sent to him. One of my friends who did see him made a complaint to the insurer about how he bullied her. This is one for the people!!! They sent me to another “hired gun” and due to my complaints about his bullying and the false and misleading information so obvious in the report the insurer informed me they were no longer using him either and that they reported him to WorkCover. That’s two for the people! Both are very… Read more »
yoli
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I had a terrible experience with one of these “doctors” also mentioned in these posts. I complained to WorkCover and to the HCCC. He is being investigated for his bullying and unprofessional manner… It is not fair that we have to deal with this on top of our illness…
The more people complain the fairer it will be for other injured workers in the future

S
Guest
My employer arranged for me to attend two psychiatric assessments even though we had previously agreed to use my own doctor. (I say 2 because i was unable to attend the first one due to a clash in time with another appointment). For both assessments I asked for a copy of the letter sent to the doctor and the reasons why I was being sent. My employer refused to provide these and cancelled the appointment. They then claimed I failed to attend both appointments and used this as a reason to terminate my employment.I have asked both IME assessors for… Read more »
Bashed and bullied
Guest
If you are in NSW under WorkCover you must contact WorkCover 1310 50 immediately to tell them what your employer has done to you. It is not legal to sack someone in this manner. Ring Fair Work Aus (sorry don’t have number so you will need to check website) as what is being done to you is illegal. If you are under WorkCover NSW it is the insurer who has to arrange the IME and the WorkCover Guidelines about the processes and what information is to be provided to you is clear. These are mandatory guidelines and you must be… Read more »
Bashed and bullied
Guest
I have just been through a horrific experience with my insurer, including an IME experience and other matters. I made complaints before and after seeing the IME and now it has all come to fruition. The insurer has advised they will no longer be using the IME I complained about and I have been advised my insurer will not be using another commonly used IME. The karma bus is getting ready to crash but it needs your help!!! This is the time anyone who has been the victim of “doctor shopping” should forward their complaints about how they were treated,… Read more »
Bad Memories
Guest
Hi, I came across this website by accident when I saw the name of Dr Doran Samuell mentioned in a news article and did a google search on the psychiatrist who was rude and abusive to me many years ago in regards to a workplace mental health claim for depression and PTSD.  I wish I knew now what others have said above – that I had the right to refuse to see him.  Like you, I was also aware of his history, however I did not realise I could refuse to see him and ask for another specialist instead. Dr Doran… Read more »
Bashed and bullied
Guest
Please record your experience and send a copy of what happened to you to the WIRO at WorkCover. Your case may be settled but it is useful to put in a Statutory Declaration about what happened to you so WorkCover gets an idea of what some of these IMEs are doing. There are many IMEs who are acting unethically and these should be reported. No one with a psychiatric illness should feel worse after seeing a psychiatrist and when you have PTSD and are now in tears about an IME assessment it demonstrates the experience exacerbated your PTSD. Please report… Read more »
Lost
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Hi
I would like to know a little more information on what this doctor did to you. I had a bad experience with him as well
Pls contact me

WorkcoverVictim
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Jo Mitchell
Guest

Update:

A very helpful member of this site advised contacting NSW WorkCover about Dr Samuell.  They, in turn, contacted the insurer.  I was advised today that I am now scheduled to see another psychiatrist – Ass Prof Michael Robertson, on the Gold Coast on the 22 May.  I have been advised that this appointment is to determine “current status, prognosis, capacity to work and treatment requirements”.

Thank you very much to the people who provided assistance.  I can’t tell you the difference it made.

 

workcovervictim
Guest

@Jo Mitchell – so so glad that you found some much needed help – that’s what this site’s about! Good luck and keep us posted!

Bashed and bullied
Guest
Just wondering why the insurer made you see someone on the Gold Coast. Make sure the IME also had your full file as in my case only limited biased information was provided to the IME/ psychiatrist by the insurer’s solicitors. Hope the IME was accurate and honest. Good on you for standing up to the insurer and helping others by highlighting to WorkCover what is actually going on with particular IMEs. I made complaints and it has made a difference so thank you for making a difference as well. Could you please write down your experience and send a copy… Read more »
Bashed and bullied
Guest
What you have said concerns me greatly as I was sent to another IME and as a result I tried to commit suicide! I made complaints like you, and was sent anyway. What I didn’t know at the time was that even if the Guidelines are not followed by the insurer, once you are assessed you cannot dispute the IME on the basis the WorkCover Guidelines have not been followed- loophole no one has closed!! Find out if your insurer has followed the WorkCover Guidelines for IMEs to the letter of the law and if they have not, make your… Read more »
Jo Mitchell
Guest
Thank you for the time you’ve taken to provide the information and let me know part of your story.  It’s very generous of you and it’s a big help.  I wrote my “goodbye letter” last week so I am really conscious of trying to remain balanced.  I remember the OH&S officer at my work saying to me, “Don’t let the bastards beat you.” It is a ridiculous system when it seems to only drag you down further because wrongs aren’t righted in the first place.  I’d like to see Brodie’s Law implemented in every state. I’ve rung WorkCover this morning… Read more »
Bashed and bullied
Guest
My complaints about how I was treated by the case manager and supervisors who didn’t listen to my complaints before I went to the IME, went to the General Manager of the insurance company who made personal contact regarding my matter after I tried to harm myself. It is now being investigated, so it is always worth going up the chain till someone will do something before you do something to hurt yourself.  Send an email telling the GM of the insurance company how this is making you so unwell and that you don’t know what you might do if… Read more »
Jo Mitchell
Guest
How wonderful to find this site!  I experienced workplace bullying for over 12 months.  My claim was accepted by the insurer but the loss of income (I earnt above the statutory rate) lead to me losing my homes and now battling bankruptcy (amongst the other emotional, familial and health issues).  The new NSW legislation means that compensation payments will cease shortly.  I am scheduled to attend a Skype(?) IME assessment next month and after Googling the “independent” psychiatrist, Dr Doron Samuell, look what I found! See below.  Nothing like an alleged bully conducting an IME assessment! From the legislative Assembly… Read more »
me too
Guest

Jo, I have also been instructed to see Dr Doran. Did you get anywhere trying to fight the appointment? Good luck.

 

Jo Mitchell
Guest
As you might imagine, the insurance company wasn’t interested in acknowledging my concerns.  I have been offered a Skype interview with Doron Samuell or a flight to Sydney to attend another “independent” psychiatrist of their choosing. Given health and other factors, the flight to Sydney is not an option. So, I will record (via email) my  concerns about Doron Samuell with the insurance company again and WorkCover NSW prior to the appointment and I have also raised it with my solicitor and with my psychiatrist.  I will have a support person present at the time of the appointment.  It is… Read more »
workcovervictim
Guest
aworkcovervictimsdiary received the following message … what can we say but that it is so typical of an IME psych assessment… We have seen cases where the “support person” as well as the “injured worker” were told (verbally and in writing) that they were not allowed to take notes or record the assessment as it was not “a criminal matter”… Needless to say that most shrink assessments (IMEs) do feel like criminal interrogations, and the reports that follow are often mindbogglingly outrageous…. where to from here indeed….That this is a well known problem is a FACT, yet our “authoritative bodies”… Read more »
workcovervictim3
Guest

Complain, in writing, to the shrink in question, to the insurer and the medical board… is all one can do…

See –>

This amazing and most enlightening video clip features a lawyer who suffered a workplace injury to her back and neck and who suffers chronic pain. She discusses the major issues injured workers face with the so-called medico-legal consultants (doctors) and really wonders if these are doctors who are struck off, where their Hippocratic oath is and, most importantly, believes that an urgent review is needed into the medico-legal consultant industry.

Stevie J
Guest

This is gold! God this is just the best country we live in! We are invincible! Unbeatable strength of character! This is how we treat our adversaries, by making complete fun of ’em! They don’t know who they’re messing with, these “high n’ mighty” bloody public “servants”. They’re unAustrayan!  This is so hilarious! Thanks for posting this. It really makes light of all the grief & such that we face in the Legal system (whether it’s WC, Civil-Liability, or any other). It’s a breath of fresh air.

Cheers,

Stevie J

Pauline Pope
Guest
What a great post! After spending some time in tears this morning, I got a much needed laugh from it. Thanks. The metaphor with nazism fits so perfectly. And I love the poem. The IME psychiatrists are the most cynical and abusive when they can get away with it. I always take a friend into the assessments now as a matter of course. Won’t see an IME who won’t let me do this as it is too harmful to my mental health. Over the course of time, these IME’s have created so many lies about my life story and my… Read more »